<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6755966742234120583</id><updated>2012-01-22T20:33:02.920-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Eternal Security is it Fact...... or Fiction?</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://osas-question.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6755966742234120583/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://osas-question.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Roger Armstrong</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00323952464269731624</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IlI_l7LlQ5M/TxzixpDmMxI/AAAAAAAABHc/taiA0z0D0ak/s220/04-01-2010%2BA%2B5.JPG'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>1</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6755966742234120583.post-230806608652784605</id><published>2009-01-02T14:08:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-05-05T09:09:34.116-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Common Sense Answers on the Eternal Security Doctrine:</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-size: 130%;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 130%;"&gt;Once Saved Always Saved (&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;OSAS&lt;/span&gt;), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;commonly&lt;/span&gt; taught&lt;br /&gt;in the majority of Christian churches,&lt;span style="color: #f3f3f3;"&gt;..&lt;/span&gt; will be held up to the&lt;br /&gt;light of_ I Thes. 5:21 (KJV) "Prove all things"_ in the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #999999; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #cccccc;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;All verses quoted are &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;KJV&lt;/span&gt;, but for an instant reference in the&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #cccccc;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;English Standard Version, place the cursor on chapter/verse.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #f3f3f3;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Eph.1:13 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #f3f3f3;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;States&lt;/span&gt; we are &lt;strong&gt;sealed &lt;/strong&gt;at the time of salvation. &lt;span style="color: #f3f3f3;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;And,&lt;br /&gt;I might add, our name would be entered into the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"&gt;Book of Life&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;at this same time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;Eph.4:30_&lt;/span&gt;Further adds we are "sealed unto the Day of Redemp-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;tion&lt;/span&gt;." &lt;span style="color: #f3f3f3;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;So, on the day of redemption, since we are sealed our&lt;br /&gt;name will be found in the &lt;strong&gt;Book of Life. &lt;/strong&gt;And if we are &lt;strong&gt;sealed &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;unconditionally,&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;span style="color: #f3f3f3;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;this means that God &lt;strong&gt;cannot &lt;/strong&gt;take our name&lt;br /&gt;out of the &lt;strong&gt;Book of Life. &lt;/strong&gt;This looks like a strong case for &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;OSAS;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But now lets compare this to the whole counsel of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it would be fair to say, at this point, that to be &lt;strong&gt;sealed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;unto the day of redemption, is equal to having our name entered&lt;br /&gt;into the &lt;strong&gt;Book of Life, &lt;/strong&gt;since both of these events take place at&lt;br /&gt;the time of our salvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So in light of all of the above, God must have been mistaken&lt;br /&gt;when He told Moses in Exodus 32:33 "...Whosoever sins against&lt;br /&gt;Me, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"&gt;him will I blot out of My book&lt;/span&gt;."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;span style="color: #999999; font-size: 85%;"&gt;(emphasis mine)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And in Revelation 3:5 KJV, Jesus infers that &lt;strong&gt;He&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;can blot &lt;/strong&gt;our &lt;br /&gt;name &lt;strong&gt;out &lt;/strong&gt;of the &lt;strong&gt;Book of Life.&lt;/strong&gt; And at the&amp;nbsp;end of the last chapter &lt;br /&gt;in this book, Rev.22:19 KJV (paraphrased) "...if any man shall &lt;br /&gt;[change] the words of this book, &lt;strong&gt;God&lt;/strong&gt; shall &lt;strong&gt;take&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;his name &lt;span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"&gt;out&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"&gt;of the Book of Life&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In view of the above, common sense should tell us that to be seal-&lt;br /&gt;ed unto the day of redemption is &lt;strong&gt;"conditional" &lt;/strong&gt;because He &lt;u&gt;can&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;take us &lt;strong&gt;out &lt;/strong&gt;of the&lt;strong&gt; book of life, &lt;/strong&gt;at which point we would lose our&lt;br /&gt;salvation. God does not contradict Himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;Before continuing I will state that in the process of keeping this &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;post as brief as possible, the above and following verses were &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;singled out of the context for which they were written, and one&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;might come to the conclusion that if they backslid they could&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;never return....However.....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;......this is a misconception....But, one needs to get out of this&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;backslidden state by repenting, you do not want to die in this&lt;br /&gt;state because OSAS is false. John Calvin (1509-1564),&amp;nbsp; was &lt;br /&gt;the first to push&amp;nbsp;this theory, now known as&amp;nbsp;"Calvinism."&amp;nbsp; However,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;he got the concept from Martin Luther (1483-1546). I believe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;all of&amp;nbsp;these verses are directed to people who&amp;nbsp;have passed from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;backslidding&lt;/u&gt; into &lt;u&gt;apostasy&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;I want to be very clear; backsliding is &lt;u&gt;not&lt;/u&gt; &lt;strong&gt;apostasy,&lt;/strong&gt; apostasy is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;when one&amp;nbsp;makes&amp;nbsp;a hardened, persistent, willful pratice of sin and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;a &lt;u&gt;blatant&lt;/u&gt; rejection of&amp;nbsp;the Godhead, the &lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;Holy Spirit in particular:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;"...blasphemy against the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Holy Spirit shall &lt;u&gt;not&lt;/u&gt; be forgiven &lt;br /&gt;unto &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #3d85c6;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: orange;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;men.......neither in this world, or in the world to come"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;Matt.12:31).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #3d85c6;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;See also: Mark 3:29, and Luke 12:10.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #3d85c6;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now to continue with more of God's counsel on this subject&lt;strong&gt;:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #e06666;"&gt;Eze.18:26_&lt;/span&gt;"When a righteous [&lt;span style="color: #999999;"&gt;saved&lt;/span&gt;] man &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;turneth&lt;/span&gt; away from his&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;righteousness, and committeth iniquity [&lt;span style="color: #999999;"&gt;sins&lt;/span&gt;],&amp;nbsp;and dieth in them &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #3d85c6;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #999999;"&gt;does not repent before he dies&lt;/span&gt;], for the sins he has done he shall&lt;br /&gt;die [&lt;span style="color: #999999;"&gt;spiritual death&lt;/span&gt;]."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;II Peter 2:20_"...if after they have escaped the sins of the world&lt;br /&gt;through the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, they are again&lt;br /&gt;entangled therein [&lt;span style="color: #999999;"&gt;backslidden&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;], and overcome [&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #999999;"&gt;apostatized&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;], &lt;/span&gt;the &lt;br /&gt;latter end is worse with them than the beginning."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe the following verses can also be viewed in the same light&lt;br /&gt;(i.e.state of apostasy), even though these don't differentiate:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;II Peter 2:21_"For it had been better for them not to have known&lt;br /&gt;the way of righteousness, than to know it&lt;strong&gt;...&lt;/strong&gt;and turn away..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Heb.6:4,6_"For it is impossible for those who were once enlight-&lt;br /&gt;ened....and made partakers of the Holly Spirit......"&amp;nbsp; "If they shall&lt;br /&gt;fall away, to &lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;renew them again unto repentance..."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Heb.10:26_"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received &lt;br /&gt;the knowledge of the truth, there &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;remaineth&lt;/span&gt; no more sacrifice &lt;br /&gt;for sins."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: #e06666;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;If one is to cling to the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #e06666;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;once-saved-always-saved&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;theory&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;he must make these texts say something other than what&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;they clearly say or he must simply reject or ignore them.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please go to the very brief *&lt;span style="background-color: #ffd966;"&gt;link&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt; listed below&lt;/span&gt; where we present &lt;br /&gt;more Scriptural base for our belief in the possibility of apostasy:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://more-on-osas.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; (The&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="background-color: #ffd966;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #ffd966;"&gt;IF"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt; Passages)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6755966742234120583-230806608652784605?l=osas-question.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://osas-question.blogspot.com/feeds/230806608652784605/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6755966742234120583&amp;postID=230806608652784605' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6755966742234120583/posts/default/230806608652784605'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6755966742234120583/posts/default/230806608652784605'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://osas-question.blogspot.com/2009/01/is-eternal-security-true-or-false.html' title='Common Sense Answers on the Eternal Security Doctrine:'/><author><name>Roger Armstrong</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00323952464269731624</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IlI_l7LlQ5M/TxzixpDmMxI/AAAAAAAABHc/taiA0z0D0ak/s220/04-01-2010%2BA%2B5.JPG'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry></feed>
